The result was that both Germany and Japan were drawn into destructive long-term wars. Germany’s invasion of the Soviet Union in 1941 proved to be the undoing of Hitler’s military campaign. A look into why the Germans could not pull a win out of the war with the realities they found themselves in. Both had gambled on a war that was quick, with decisive victories that would win them significant territorial gains. The German Strategy was of course to crush the USSR by a two-front attack: The German Panzers were to roll into the USSR from the west, which actually took place on June 22, 1941, and the Japanese Imperial Army was to attack Siberia from the east, which never took place. It wasn't that close. Most Westerners don't like to admit that the Soviets probably would have eventually won the war against Germany … An Allied convoy heads eastward across the Atlantic, bound for Casablanca, in November 1942. Did Germany come closer to "winning" WW1 or WW2? By now, the British people would have been thoroughly demoralized as their army had yet to recover from its defeat in France, especially at Dunkirk. Art. The chances were that the Allies either would have been slaughtered or, most likely, after a brief resistance, surrendered en masse. Who knows? The South never had a chance as long as the North had the will to continue the fight. “A single blow must destroy the enemy… without regard of losses… a gigantic all-destroying blow.” – Adolf Hitler. The Russians unleashed about 3000 tanks the Germans didn't know they had and smashed the German 6th Army and left German morale in tatters. Its radar network would have had large blind spots in it, and German bombing raids would have frequently used these spots to sneak in undetected. HistoryNet.com is brought to you by Historynet LLC, the world's largest publisher of history magazines. In just a few months, the Allied armies were totally defeated and Europe was under the control of Nazi Germany. It was hoped these early victories would force their stunned opponents to the negotiation table. invade the Soviet Union in the hopes of getting access to more resources. Taking into account all the setbacks that Doenitz had, was it not possible that Churchill used it as an excuse to gain Roosevelt’s sympathy? In turn, America and maybe Russia would have quite quickly developed their own nuclear deterrent, thus creating a global stalemate with Germany. Answer Save. Neither side for the majority of the war moved more than a few miles either way. Maybe this would be enough to break the British fighting spirit. This allowed the Allies to secretly evacuate over 330,000 Allied troops back to the British mainland using an armada of big and small boats. So here are some of the key moments in the war when, if Germany had acted differently, the outcome might have been very different. Both the South and Germany just too stupid to realize the war was lost 2 years before it actually ended. On one side some are saying that Russia was unstoppable juggernaut once it got into gear and that Hitler (who was a bumbling … Branch Rickey, president of the Brooklyn Dodgers. West: Though Nazi Germany possessed a superior army, better equipment and by far Because Germany was so short on oil, steel and (most critically) food, in the first phase of the war in order to have any chance of winning. If he had managed to take Britain and therefore divert troops to North Africa no one could have formed a beach head against Europe save the Russians. This would have allowed for new weapon designs to be better thought-out and arrive in service significantly earlier. Having said that, GB AND RUSSIA deserve most of the credit for winning WW2. Germany in WW2. For the Allies in World War Two, the defeat of Germany was their priority. Do 17 bombers during the Battle of Britain. The British slow moving and badly armored Valentine Mk2 tank with its 2-pounder (37mm) guns would not have stood a chance. captives, most of which were eager to fight against USSR regime. The only reason the UK survived is because of the English Channel and Germany's lack of a proper navy. While Nazi Germany winning World War Two makes for great literary fiction, how plausible was it really? Relevance. As a result, the fighting all too quickly turned into what they least wanted: a long war of attrition. It wasn't that close. A lot of British would have fooled themselves that the Peace Treaty with Germany was not that bad, the only real difference being that their armed forces were slowly dismantled and the occasional German air patrol passed over their cities and towns. Winston Churchill would have fled to America, branded as a war criminal by the Nazis. – Battle of Britain (1940): What if the Germans had not switched during the Battle of Britain from attacking RAF Fighter Command to the civilian population centers? Imagine the impact a sizeable number of Panther tanks with their long-barrelled 75mm guns and thick sloped armor would have had in the desert of North Africa in 1942. – Dunkirk (1940): The Germans decided to take a 3-day pause to reorganize before attacking a highly vulnerable Dunkirk. Discussion in 'WWII General' started by DangerousBob, Feb 20, 2014. But none could have forever turned a blind eye to the mass disappearance of their Jewish neighbors and the increasing amount of Nazi propaganda in the heavily controlled “free” press. Churchill might have set up some kind of government in exile and attempt to drum up support for a fresh war against Germany. But his triumphs were not part of a strategic conception that secured victory in the long run. Germania 2: A slightly more plausible map of what Germany might look like if it won WW2 by 1Blomma via DeviantArt. Imagine large quantities of Me 262s jet fighters attacking American Bomber formations in early 1944. Or what if Germany had developed an atomic bomb and a system to deliver it effectively? – Stalingrad (1942-43): What if Hitler had not been so obsessed with Stalingrad and instead had by-passed the city altogether? How close was Germany to bringing Great Britain to its knees in WW2? As for the Japanese surprise attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, despite striking a devastating blow against the American navy, crucially it failed to destroy the American carrier force who were not in port at the time. This would have lasted for decades, despite much tension, mistrust, and occasional violent flare up between the two countries. The war in Europe might have become winnable for the Germans after all. America would have seen the liberation of Europe as being impossible and so would not have got involved. Consequently, Japan would not have attacked Pearl Harbor, fearing a United States which could have potentially turned its full military and industrial might against it. – Their equipment (1942-45): The Germans thought World War Two would be a relatively short conflict, maybe a year or two at most. This was the kind of war that neither countries had planned for and, more importantly, a war they were unlikely to win. Asked by Wiki User. But by 1945, the German Federation of Europe would have been a true super power with a strictly maintained dictatorship that was here to stay… for now. Germany lost by a wide margin. I ask this because I have heard wildly different assessments by different people. So, by the winter of 1940, Germany would have been able to concentrate on preparing to attack Russia. For instance, according to Soviet records, they captured vast amounts of German equipment including 10,722 trucks and 12,701 heavy machine guns. Top Answer. As a result, we shall see what actually happened. But neither Germany nor Japan could deliver a killer blow that would decisively end the conflict. At first, this proved to be a good philosophy, but later they became far too worried about introducing new models in case it disrupted wartime production. Nonetheless, the early successes were spectacular. What if the Germans had not paused but had instead continued the attack and struck a crippling blow against the Allied Armies? Could some of the three-quarters of a million Axis casualties at Stalingrad have been avoided? And though the Americans might admire his oratory skills and sympathize with him, ultimately they would not have wanted to be drawn into a European war, especially as it seemed to be all over. Virgil "Spud" Davis, pro baseball catcher, coach, scout and manager. 3 years ago. How long would the peace have held? But the simple fact that these two nations held out until 1945 shows how strong and resilient they were. During World War I, the German Empire was one of the Central Powers that lost the war. Robert J. Dick Wolf, television producer (Miami Vice, Law & Order). None of these changes by themselves would have won the war for the Germans. Hitler, along with the German High Command, understood the need for coordinated and rapid attacks, using the Blitzkrieg (Lightning War) tactic to its fullest. Instead, sensing a quick victory, he would have concentrated on gaining air superiority by completely destroying RAF Fighter Command and it’s infrastructure. In spite of the losses it had afflicted, the Royal Air Force was close to exhaustion, between aircraft lost, airfields bombed, shot-up aircraft withdrawn for repairs and literally exhausted airmen rotated to quieter sectors—with Britain’s ability to replace those losses falling behind all that cumulative attrition. What if the Germans had planned from the beginning for a much longer war and started to develop weaponry like the initially unreliable Panther tank much sooner? Read another story from us: How Communists in Germany Allied with Nazis to Destroy Democracy. Therefore, they thought their new and cutting-edge equipment such as the MP38 sub-machine guns, the Panzer III & IV tanks, Me 109 fighter aircraft, and Type VII submarine U-boats would be sufficient for this kind of war. So what if the Germans had attacked earlier and in greater numbers? These extra months would have given them ample time to advance all the way to Moscow before the Russian winter set in. But if these projects had been canceled earlier on and their resources diverted to more promising projects, the war might have had a totally different outcome. - U.S. had not of joined into the war with military force. The Germans were closer to winning WW2. “If we are weak in fighter strength, the attacks will not be bought to a standstill and the productive capacity of the country will be virtually destroyed.” – British Air Chief Marshal Hugh Dowding. Relevance. The failures in Russia were major factors, but the late entrance of the U.S. tipped the scale. How close did Nazi Germany come to winning WW2? This was a fatal mistake because Britain, Germany’s most bitter enemy, was close to powerlessness at that time. It is thought he hoped to win favor with the Japanese and gain their support in the war in Europe once they had defeated America. What if the disposable Panzerfaust 60, which did not come into full production until September 1944, instead was available on the Russian front in 1943? As mentioned before the spring offensive of 1918 was a point where Germany at least seemed to get close to a final victory in the war. After all, the British and American bombing campaign in itself did not win the war, but combined with D-Day and the victory in the Battle of the Atlantic, these actions had a serious impact in the war in favor of the Allies. Instead, there would probably have been a cease-fire much like that between North and South Korea after the Korean War. George Roy Hill, film director (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid, The Sting). the battle of Britian if lost the UK would have to sue for peace and the Germans could have walked through North africa taking the worlds lagest oil fields and Refinary . The Germans were desperate to win as winter was around them. Nazi Germany had four main weaknesses, namely: 1. The German campaign of 1940 in France, Holland, and Belgium was nothing short of sheer brilliance. Most likely it would have been the case that not so much valuable German equipment would have been lost. Then, as planned, Hitler would have launched his aerial bombing campaign against Britain, known as the Battle of Britain, on July 10, 1940. We were involved in the sense we were providing supplies to GB, but it wouldn't have been enough to stop Germany. Once relocated, Stalin would have probably carried out a second set of Purges like the ones he carried out in the 1930s, but they would have been motivated by blaming other people for the catastrophic defeat. Or if he had let Field Marshal Paulus breakout of Stalingrad when he had wanted to? 2015-07-15 18:29:13 2015-07-15 18:29:13. The situation looked truly dire. A hypothetical Axis victory in World War II has become a common concept of alternative history and counterfactual history.Such writings express ideas of what the world would be like had the Axis powers of Germany, Italy, and Japan won World War II.Numerous examples exist in several languages worldwide. They also rationalized that their production lines were flexible enough to make modifications and upgrades to these existing models. But Hitler saw it as an excuse to come to Japan’s aid. How close were the Nazis to winning World War 2? Here are a few facts to consider before making your own judgement. In reality, the British introducing new tactics and the Germans switching to civilian bombing allowed the RAF time to recover its numbers. Adam Powell, Welsh game designer; co-founder of Neopets and Meteor Games companies. Germany lost by a wide margin. Germany was now forced to fight the war on too many fronts with a weak ally (Italy) being more of a hindrance than an asset. Anonymous. But to give an opinion: if everything had gone according to the German plan, there would have been no WW2. He would just restrict Britain’s ability to fight a war, demanding no reparations or territorial losses apart from Gibraltar, which Germany would then have given to Spain in exchange for them joining the Tripartite Pact treaty. As a result, the Germans would not have launched Operation Barbarossa to invade Russia on June 22, 1941, but would have been able to take advantage of the first good weather of that year at the beginning of April, nearly three months earlier than the invasion actually took place. Would that have led them to gain air superiority over Britain and subsequently led to a successful invasion? But the Allies still managed to evacuate back to Britain over 330,000 of those troops, about 85% of the soldiers who had been trapped there in just a few days. Then, much to their amazement, the Germans halted their advance for three days in order to regroup. Lv 7. The stalemate during trench warfare in WW1 was just that, a stalemate. Harry F. Byrd Jr., first independent ever elected to US Senate by a majority of the popular vote (Virginia). It might mean that Britain would no longer have the numbers needed to defend its homeland. How close was Germany to winning the war? Three more days or weeks of the Battle of Britain would have given it to the Germans. There is precedent of countries declaring war on Germany/Japan in 1945 just to be a part of the new world order (United Nations), Turkey being the biggest and most obvious example. Taking into account all the setbacks that Doenitz had, was it not possible that Churchill used it as an excuse to gain Roosevelt’s sympathy? More Questions at Ask Mr. History. -New Technology (1943-45): It is often said that the Germans relied too heavily on the idea that a new generation of “Wonder Weapons” would win them the war. Clay Blair seems to refute the belief Britain was about to fall. Because Germany was so short on oil, steel and (most critically) ... the Nazis would have had to crush their enemies completely in the first phase of the war in order to have any chance of winning. Wiki User Answered . The immediate effect of this suspension of hostilities would have allowed Hitler to indulge in his growing fascination with new technology. – Declaring war on America (1941): Germany was part of a Tripartite Pact with Italy and Japan. Not close at all really.They plowed through a bunch of weak and unprepared countries. In the middle of The Battle of France, a very large Allied force found themselves surrounded in the Northern French seaport of Dunkirk with no chance of either being relieved or breaking out. The British Government would have been topped and a new one would have been formed based around reconciliation. What if Hitler had resisted on December 11, 1941, and had not declared war on America? Instead, Japan would have backed down and negotiated the best trade deal it could with America instead. Van de Graff, physicist, invented the Van de Graaff generator. The Battle of Stalingrad we knew, that ended up bleeding the German Army dry, might never have happened. Answer. Answer Save. However, there might be one event that, if it had been done differently, could have had a domino effect that might have resulted in Germany winning the war. It was unlikely there would have been a Russian surrender or a peace treaty as the countries were so ideologically opposed. And a lot of resources were wasted on such colossal failures like the Me 163 Komet and the 188 ton Maus super tank. Many say war is about which side makes the fewest mistakes. Even their early victories were flawed, like the Battle of France in the summer of 1940 that raged on for six weeks. America would have had some degree of satisfaction from the situation, perceiving a kind of victory at not having not been dragged into yet another costly foreign war (with Germany) and happy that they seem to have defeated Japan without having to fire a shot. Hitler, ever the diplomat, would have offered lenient terms for peace, even though it would be hard for him not to be tempted to be vengeful and extract out of them harsher terms. The concurrent German effort to blockade Britain by sea is more problematic—it started out with too few U-boats and as they grew in numbers, so did the escorts and anti-submarine measures to counter them—but there is no disputing the Battle of Britain as a tipping point in the war. By October 1940, it would have been all over: the Germans would have totally destroyed the RAF, and then the German bombing raids would have started in earnest against British civilian populated areas and factories. Maybe a decisive German victory at Dunkirk would have brought about the French collapse a few days sooner. Then Germany and Japan could secure favorable terms ensuring that they both emerged as new world powers. But in this altered scenario, Hitler would have completely ignored coastal-shipping convoys, ports, shipping centers, and civilian targets. World History Group – jwenting Aug 29 '16 at 11:33 At the start of the war with USSR , during the first 4 months, Germany had 3 mill. The RAF would have been totally destroyed and the cities would be relentlessly bombed. Perhaps this would have turned such important battles such as those at El Alamein (1942) and Kursk (1943) into German victories. He might have resisted going as far as the Treaty of Versailles (1919). If Britain was unable to recover from these losses, might they then have considered some kind of conditional surrender or negotiated a peace settlement with Germany? When Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, the Germans were under no obligation to declare war on American as Japan was the aggressor. At the same time one had one of the top U.S. diplomats to London, Joseph Kennedy, not only writing off Britain’s prospects of survival, but actually applauding its imminent downfall (sentiments not shared by his son John). Jon Guttman Tags: ww1 vs ww2; Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > ... That said yes France at points was close to surrender except much had been done to remove that problem. Both the South and Germany just too stupid to realize the war was lost 2 … Partition amoureuse by Tatiana de Rosnay. Harvey Firestone, industrialist and tire maker. However, there might be one event that, if it had been done differently, could have had a domino effect that might have resulted in Germany winning the war. Nazi Germany was winning until mid 1942 and early 1943 when the battle of Stalingrad started. How close was Hitler to winning the WWII, really? There was a good possibility America would have thrown all its might against the Japanese, allowing Britain to become isolated and Germany to concentrate on defeating Russia. Quite quickly, Germany would have developed long range bombers with nuclear bombs followed by nuclear tipped missiles. 10 Answers. Their actions unknowingly let the Allies evacuate a large number of troops. Whereas for Japan, as the war dragged on, they were slowly starved of the natural resources they so desperately needed to fight effectively. Stalin would then have been forced to flee to the east and set up his government in a new capital like Yekaterinburg or Novosibirsk. This would have weakened the Russian war machine even further as top military figures and designers were shipped off to prison camps to die for their perceived failure to halt the German onslaught of 1941. Favorite Answer. 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